Interview with POWER 98 for General Lee x Laremy Lee collaborations

Jerald Justin Ko (JK) of POWER 98 recently interviewed me and Lin, lead singer of General Lee, for a segment on Own Time Own Target, to talk about our collaborations thus far – Revisiting the Ballad of Bukit Brown, as well as General Lee/Speaking: Singaporeana.

A big thank you to JK for the humorous and engaging discussion. You can listen to the interview on the Camokakis app, by downloading the podcast “#JKAYA EP54 GENERAL LEE & LAREMY LEE”, published on 1 May 2022.

I’ve also included a transcript below for archival purposes.

JK: And welcome to the show, Laremy Lee. Hello, Mr Laremy Lee.

Laremy: Hi, JK, nice to meet you.

JK: As well as Lin from General Lee –

Lin: Hi –

JK: – which is a local band. OK, I gotta ask a question right now. I’m a bit confused. So Laremy’s surname is Lee and then the band is called General Lee. Laremy – are you the general from this band?

Lin: General Lee consists of four guys who coincidentally do not have the surname “Lee”. There are two Lins and two Chens. [We’re a] rock n’ roll band; [we] wanted something that was catchy and represented some form of seriousness at the same time.

JK: Just to confirm, none of the band members have the rank [of] General?

Lin: No, the highest ranking member is Isaac who is a…

Laremy: He’s a Major.

Lin: He’s a Major, yes.

JK: So a little bit more to go before getting a General rank. All right, Laremy Lee. Tell us more about yourself.

Laremy: I’m a writer – I’m not the General of the band! We happen to be good friends; we’ve been friends since university and as well as collaborators in the arts.

JK: I wanna ask you about this collaboration, ‘cos I first heard about you guys through PIONEER and there was a bit of an NSman aspect behind the story. So can you tell us more?

Lin: I guess this started at the start of the pandemic. The band – we were trying to think of ways to keep ourselves out there and relevant and try to showcase our music; [we] wanted to kind of stand out. First thing that we thought of was, maybe a cross-medium collaboration with another artist. We thought, maybe let’s do something different and find a poet and the first name that came to mind was Laremy [who is] established in the literary scene.

JK: Your songs have a lot of heritage and culture, right? Laremy, I’m pretty sure that since you are the writer, you can tell us more about this heritage and culture in the songs. It’s not just about, you know, the TikToks and stuff. It’s got meaning; it’s got history.

Laremy: Yeah, you know I think when the guys approached me, I was like truly delighted because I’ve always respected the band because of how talented they are. They’re so dedicated to their craft, you know, and when they asked me to join them in collaboration during the circuit breaker, I was, like, yeah! Immediately, I said yes. Because their songs are so rich and full of meaning and history. The band covers Singapore myths, legends, historical issues, such as the legend of Redhill

JK: I know this one. Is it the [one about] swordfish?

Laremy: Yes!

Lin: Yeah –

JK: Yeah, I remember that one!

Lin: – that’s right.

JK: It was in my PETS textbook in primary school.

Laremy: That’s very interesting because I was having a conversation with a separate group of friends, but apparently, like, not everyone actually may have had that PETS reader, you know, so not everyone knows about the legend. And again, you know, that’s where I think the band comes in, because they fill that gap in the musical and literary scene in terms of telling people, you know, not just our generation but the generations across Singapore about our own culture and heritage. And so, on that note also, one of the popular songs that people like, from the band’s repertoire, is “Opium Hill”, which tells about historical events in Singapore’s history, about how Lieutenant Adnan Saidi and his platoon bravely defended the knoll from the invaders in World War II.

JK: That’s modern day Bukit Chandu, they call it.

Lin: Yeah, that’s right – Bukit Chandu. I think they have something opening up real soon, like an exhibit over there, so people can go down and check it out. Really good story and lots of visuals.

JK: Absolutely brilliant. Now, I want to ask you: where can we listen to the music that you all play and have created?

Lin: [Our songs are] available on most streaming platforms: Apple Music, Spotify and [YouTube]. Yeah, we only have one studio album, so there are lots of songs that we have not recorded – also about Singapore’s history and myths – that’s not [uploaded] there. But you can find the main album, which is on all the main streaming platforms.

JK: So make sure you search for General Lee. And do we put Laremy in there as well?

Laremy: I think, for our collaborations, we’re in the midst of releasing some of the videos from the gig. Am I right, Lin?

Lin: Yeah, that’s right, we’re going to be putting them on Facebook mainly.

JK: Fantastic stuff. Now, I wanna ask about the collaboration. There was a show that happened not too long ago, a few weeks back. So what exactly was the show and, you know, you said there’s going to be clips coming up really, really soon on your Facebook page, General Lee. Tell us about this show.

Lin: We approached Esplanade to do this cross-medium presentation. It was really exciting. We did it about a month back. We invited instrumentalists to also reinterpret the backing track to Laremy’s poems. It turned out to be a very fulfilling and exciting night for us. The music was very moving. The poetry brought our stuff to a different level. Hopefully, that can be represented well in the videos that we’re going to release on Facebook soon.

JK: Very, very nice. And just to wrap things up because it is, of course, a very special Own Time, Own Target edition of the show – can you tell us about your NS days? So let’s start with Laremy. What did you do during NS?

Laremy: Wow… I think we might need another episode, you know, if I’m going to tell you my entire NS history. I’ve had a very interesting NS experience, but in my most recent posting NS posting, I was a platoon commander in 696th Battalion, Singapore Infantry Regiment. And, yeah.

JK: You said it was a very interesting experience. Tell us about this journey, man! We want to hear the stories.

Laremy: To summarise it a bit because it’s really quite long – actually, when I started my full-time national service, I’m actually – I’m not combat fit; I’m actually PES C.

JK: How did you end up being a commander?

Laremy: Precisely, yeah, so back then there was a scheme – Service-Fit Volunteer Scheme. Back then we had to just – I think we had to get a silver or a gold for our NAPFA test. From there, you know, I volunteered for combat, then, yeah, I went through the entire range of training, but again, there were some bumps along the way. I’ll leave that for my memoirs.

JK: (laughs)

Lin: He’s actually lying, you know. Back in our schooling days, he played rugby competitively, so I don’t know where this comes from.

JK: You know it’s always the fit people – I don’t wanna reveal, but a lot of my fittest friends are PES C and PES E

Lin: Yeah!

JK: – so I’m not sure what’s happening there. OK, how about Lin, since you’re a band member of General Lee – the leader. Tell us more about your NS history.

Lin: I was a scout team commander with 2SIR and then when I transited into my reservist stage, or my NSman stage, I was with 754SIR.

JK: Nice!

Lin: Lots of walking, lots of carrying, not much fighting, actually.

JK: Yeah, you’re all there, you know, looking and getting the binoculars out and reporting back.

Lin: Yes!

JK: Very nice! Anyway, thanks so much for joining us on the show. Remember – you can check them out on General Lee – Facebook page – and Laremy, you wanna tell us how we can find you as well?

Laremy: You can search for me on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, even on the web at

JK: Fantastic. It is, of course, a very special Own Time, Own Target edition…

General Lee/Speaking: Singaporeana

In an extension of our previous collaboration, I will be performing together with my good friends General Lee in General Lee/Speaking: Singaporeana on Thu, 24 March 2022 from 7pm to 8.30pm at the Esplanade’s Concourse.

This is a music and spoken word performance focused on telling Singapore stories and will feature General Lee’s original songs from their their eponymous debut album released in 2016, as well as poems written by me in response to their music.

This interdisciplinary collaboration brings together music and literary arts to imagine (or reimagine) Singaporeana – Singapore stories of our country’s history, myths and legends, and to tell (or retell) them through word and song.

General Lee will also be rearranging their music in collaboration with The Good Company to incorporate acoustic instruments integral to American folk music such as fiddle, banjo, mandolin and dobro, in what is likely to be the first performance of its kind in Singapore.

The Good Company – comprising Kailin Yong, Greg Tucker-Kellogg, Kelly Olafson and Mark James Garratt – is a collective of musicians well-versed in the acoustic instruments that define the sound of Americana, or American folk music. This includes country, bluegrass and old-time music of the Appalachian Mountains.

More information can be found on the Esplanade’s website here.

See you then!

Revisiting the Ballad of Bukit Brown

I’m proud to announce my collaboration together with my good friends from General Lee titled “Revisiting the Ballad of Bukit Brown”.

This is an interdisciplinary piece combining literary arts and music, in which I wrote “Revisiting”, a twin-cinema poem, in response to “The Ballad of Bukit Brown” by General Lee, from their eponymous debut album released in 2016.

We’ve also recorded a music video, which you can stream on Facebook and YouTube (videos embedded below for easy streaming).

From the blurb:

In this cross-disciplinary collaboration, both band and poet tell their stories in a new way and for a new age, brought about by the societal shifts and cultural changes of 2020.

Exploring the tension between conservation and progress in Singapore through the lens of the defunct Bukit Brown cemetery, the video contains images and footage of old and contemporary Singapore, sourced from both private collections as well as Creative Commons.

This includes scenes of Bukit Brown, pictures of historical figures, as well as modern-day Singapore.

This visual juxtaposition illustrates the various facets of the conversation on conservation and progress, and mirror the duality of the twin-cinema format used in the poem.